Peter Marshall's Blog - arming of Police

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    Peter Marshall's Blog - arming of Police

    Post by Mattz on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:12 am

    Hiya. I came across THIS today on Peter Marshall's blog. Two aspects stood out for me:

    Back at headquarters I authorised expenditure of approximately $5.5 million on outfitting all "response" vehicles and road policing units with safes for carrying a Bushmaster rifle, Glock pistol, Taser and two sets of ballistic armour. This will start immediately but full implementation will take months. Extra firearms will need to be bought and imported. Many staff will require additional training.


    From the point of view of someone not a member this sounds like a decisive move on the part of the new Police Commissioner. Maybe this could provoke comment from sworn members?

    There is also this:

    I was impressed with the technology available to some of our vehicles

    I see on programs such as Police 10 7 vehicles that look like they are equipped with electronic screens for checks etc and GPS's but when on Scope in Tauranga (admittedly a few years ago now) no vehicles ever had any such technolgy. Is that sort of technology only in the bigger centres?

    At the moment I drive a company supplied car with a GPS, built in hands free phone and can operate my company supplied laptop wirelessly on the side of the road or in a client's house, working remotely whenever and wherever I want. I can dictate a report and email it to a typist who will email it back for me to finish off. I also have a camera, mobile phone, get all safety gear, boots, overalls, torches, hard hat and so on. My company consider these essential to do my job.

    From an outsider's point of view Police also need the tools to do the job and perhaps the new Commissioner is moving in the right direction.


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    Post by 5773 on Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:51 pm

    Matz, yes, it does sound as if the commissioner is taking a few tentative steps along the walk.
    What you have to keep in mind though, is that at that level, he is no longer a cop, but a politician - or at the very minimum, a political appointee. We havnt had a real policeman as commissioner since Bob Walton.
    These days, the commissioner has to run any decisions about the job past his political masters before opening his mouth. The point of having a firearm securely locked inside a safe inside your locked vehicle a quarter mile away from where you are taking fire, escapes me. For some reason I dont seem to see the benefit, apart from when you actually know that you are going to an armed incident - in which case you wont be charging in anyway....... Still, I suppose at least you have something to defend yourself with in the event the offender walks your way.

    The incident in South Australia yesterday illustrated the point graphically. Two cops were unexpecxtedly fired on by an offender. Instead of both being hunted down like rabbits, and because they are armed as a matter of course, both were able to instantly return fire driving the offender off, even though one was wounded in the initial surprise attack.

    The point I am making, is that it is the government who make the decisions, not the commissioner, who can only make minute adjustments to the status quo, no matter how benevolent his feelings on any matter in contention.
    And believe me, the government dont give a rats-arse whether a cop lives or dies, or how many for that matter. If a politician thinks public opinion [such as against the routine arming of staff] will affect his chances of re-election to the trough, every single cop in New Zealand can get killed in the cause as far as he's concerned.

    As a matter of passing interest, I and my Incident Cars carried firearms secured in our cars a decade ago. I an a bit cynical about this sudden fanfare for something that has been occuring for the last twenty years.

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    Post by hallidash on Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:57 am

    I have to agree, i had high hopes when Peter was appointed commissioner, all of which were dashed straight away when he came out and said that Police will never carry firearms on the hip on his watch. What is the point in having a gun in the car locked away, it is no different from the sgt having them in the wagon because when the crunch comes to it and you know need it, it wil be in a situation when no one expected it.

    On a another point why do we have tasers which we need to get permission to draw but they are proposing to put firearms which we can draw any time?

    mattz, we dont have gps in the car, we have what is called an MDT (mobile data terminal). The technology itself is already out dated and the IT geeks of the police no longer buy anymore of them instead recyling them from older cars. The Police wont pay for GPS never mind essential things like boots, unless you are in a specialist squad like AOS.
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    Post by chch.3rdwatch on Sun May 01, 2011 1:08 am

    I've paid for and provide my own GPS, radio wires, moulded earpiece, boots, and torch (though the torch is by my choice 'cos the issued Maglite doesn't have the power of modern LED lights LED Lenser P17
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    Post by jacob on Sun May 01, 2011 4:36 am

    ahh I just recently got a LED Lenser P14 for work (security), they're very impressive. The P14 takes 3 or 4 AA batteries, and puts out more than the 4x D-cell LED maglite I have, plus its a lot easier to carry round.
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    Post by LEO on Sun May 01, 2011 5:23 am

    I stopped carrying my Maglite within months of graduation...it has one thing over my Lenser though; a largish guy threatened to 'toes me up' not just once, but three times, and each time he'd turn to me to have his go. I'd hold the bulb end of the torch in my left hand, the other end in my right, and slam it into him, and each time he'd fall over...the last time he did it I hit him with the torch and he fell over a small bank.

    Holding the Lenser like that, it'd look like I was just double punching the person.
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    Post by Johnno on Sun May 01, 2011 6:45 am

    I've kept the issue maglite but have replaced the bulb with an LED version.
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    Post by LEO on Mon May 02, 2011 6:25 am

    Johnno wrote:I've kept the issue maglite but have replaced the bulb with an LED version.

    Any better? If so, where do I get one from?
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    Post by Johnno on Mon May 02, 2011 9:15 am

    Not too bad, you can get 'em on TradeMe.

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Camping-outdoors/Torches/Torches/auction-372042003.htm

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Camping-outdoors/Torches/Torches/auction-372733214.htm

    I recall binning a guy, had him on the ground cuffed, his mate came racing up and got "beamed" in the face and promptly stopped as he couldn't see where to go after that.
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    Post by chch.3rdwatch on Mon May 02, 2011 11:29 am

    I tried upgrading the bulb to LED too, but still wasn't satisfied with it.

    Riksta: The P17 is the same size as the maglite, so shouldn't be any issues with using both hands on it.

    Meanwhile, back on topic...

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10722615&ref=rss

    "I'm putting it there as a last resort should an extremely serious situation arise," he said.
    "If we have these items, I don't see any point in them sitting in a police station. I'd rather have them in a mobile police station"

    Interesting...the only extremely serious situation arising that I can think of is, a crim pulling a gun on me at their house, while my glock is still locked in the car... No, wait. That's not true. I can think of heaps of similar situations. In my mind, almost all of them end badly for Police. Evil or Very Mad

    And Commish, if you can explain the difference in having them in a mobile police station instead of in a police station, I'm all ears.

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    Post by scotteffone on Mon May 09, 2011 11:56 am

    Get one of these! Turn it on and Boom!X21
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    Re: Peter Marshall's Blog - arming of Police

    Post by LEO on Wed May 11, 2011 10:27 am

    Yeah, 1000Lns? We want to see people, not melt them. Although, the mind boggles with the possibilities of holding the sun in your hand.
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    Post by chch.3rdwatch on Wed May 11, 2011 11:59 pm

    Speaking of melting people...how about we mount one of these on the roof of each patrol car??

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    Post by Johnno on Thu May 12, 2011 1:21 am

    lol, cool, Not sure how it would handle the night shift though!
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    Post by LEO on Thu May 12, 2011 10:06 am

    I was thinking "Yeah, so,it burns wood, my magnifying glass could do that..." then he starts putting all kinds of stuff in there, and then I was thinking "Stuff wood! Put an arm or a body part in there!"

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